About this interview
In a 2010 interview with Ryan Minic of Ryan’s Rock Show, Ben Weinman and Liam Wilson of The Dillinger Escape Plan discussed their DIY roots, the evolution of hardcore, and how technology has impacted the music industry. Weinman reflected on getting into the scene after the era of bands like Black Flag and Minor Threat, noticing that the unpredictability and raw energy of hardcore had started to fade. He felt that many bands had become formulaic, focusing more on messages and image rather than pushing musical boundaries. From the beginning, Dillinger set out to challenge that, making music that was extreme while staying independent from major-label pressures.
They spoke about how fewer bands today maintain a true DIY mindset, with many prioritizing quick success over long-term artistic integrity. Wilson noted that while some bands, like The Locust, fully embrace an artistic vision beyond just the music, many others settle for playing it safe. Weinman acknowledged that signing with a label was never about mainstream success for Dillinger, but rather about having the financial support to take their music to the next level. Labels like Relapse Records once served as homes for bands that didn’t fit into the mainstream, and Dillinger appreciated being part of a culture that existed outside the traditional industry model.
They also discussed how technology has changed the way people consume music, making everything more accessible but also stripping away some of its value. Wilson described it as an artistic recession, where having too many choices can lead to creative stagnation. They both agreed that bands need to be intentional with their art rather than chasing viral hits or trends. A major point of discussion was their commitment to playing everything live, without relying on backing tracks or studio tricks. They criticized bands that build songs digitally instead of performing them, emphasizing that Dillinger embraces imperfections because they add to the raw energy of their music.
Reflecting on their collaborations with Mike Patton and Trent Reznor, they shared how Patton was a perfectionist in the studio but respected their artistic vision, while Reznor bringing them on tour validated that they were doing something right. As they looked ahead, Dillinger recognized that they would never be a band that “blows up” overnight, but they were content continuing to push boundaries and build their legacy on their own terms.